[LibreQoS] [EXTERNAL] Re: Measuring 5G Bloat (Was 5G going south)

[Livingood, Jason]

Maybe eventually - but let’s walk before we run and start with 2 so we have a sufficient sample size. 

On 10/31/22, 10:25, "Dave Taht" <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:

    Jason: OK to add a few bleeding edge non-5g fixed wireless networks to the mix?

    On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 7:21 AM Livingood, Jason
    <Jason_Livingood at comcast.com> wrote:
    >
    > FWIW - I'm working with a few measurement networks and researchers that are very soon deploying measurement probes - in the US - on 5G fixed wireless access connections and LEO (Starlink). These probes range on the low end from RIPE Atlas to higher end RPi-based probes. If you are interested in hosting one of these probes email me OFF-LIST:
    > - Your name
    > - Your shipping address
    > - Your ISP name [FWA or LEO]
    >
    > Some of these researchers are ready to ship probes in a couple of weeks and I'll have a bunch of RIPE Atlas probes ready to ship in about a month.
    >
    > Thanks!
    > Jason
    >
    > On 10/28/22, 17:10, "Bloat on behalf of jf--- via Bloat" <bloat-bounces at lists.bufferbloat.net on behalf of bloat at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
    >
    >     We’ve observed growing variability on some TMHI setups from our fleet, and it seems there is a correlation to usage growth on a single tower. Seems neighbors talk to hear other after all ;-)
    >
    >     And yes, horrible bufferbloat on these variable capacity links.
    >
    >     > The author switched to verizon, but what guarantees of continued
    >     > reliability does one have?
    >
    >     It seems none ATM, as it really depends on user density vs tower capacity. Woe to those that share a tower with a busy highway, ‘rush hour’ likely means low capacity and even higher latencies.
    >
    >     Cheers,
    >
    >     Jonathan Foulkes
    >
    >
    >     > On Oct 27, 2022, at 11:37 PM, Dave Taht via Bloat <bloat at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
    >     >
    >     > This had some details as to the things that could go wrong from an
    >     > initial happy install of t-mobile, to something terrible.
    >     >
    >     > The author switched to verizon, but what guarantees of continued
    >     > reliability does one have?
    >     >
    >     > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blog.networkprofile.org/redundant-wan-ditching-t-mobile-5g-for-verizon-5g/__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!DZPmyvCVso3V5VJsCmkvtzgtr5uBLoBSFpjGmKungaWqn5HKuLeCMgmCPiPY0rYPhiQN3Dl6jLyoUia5Gx94K7-U5YFaQA$
    >     >
    >     > (both services had horrible bufferbloat)
    >     >
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