[LibreQoS] [Bloat] [Starlink] On fiber as critical infrastructure w/Comcast chat

[rjmcmahon]

Thanks for this. Yeah, I can understand MDUs are complex and present 
unique issues for both their Boards and companies to service them.  
Condo trusts, LLC non profits, co-ops, etc. Too many attorneys to boot. 
My attorney fees cost more than my training youth to install FiWi infra. 
The expensive, existing cos are asking $80K per building. The fire alarm 
installer is asking $100K per building. I figure we can get both for 
less than $180K but it's going to take some figuring out. And once we 
sink the money, it needs to be world-class with swappable parts. Others 
may then notice and follow suit.

Then for dark fiber to a private colo about 1.5 miles away the ask is 
$5K per month. Buy my own switch and SFPs. Peering and ISP services are 
not included.

So I do see the value Comcast brings. I think a challenge is that 
different options are needed for different customers. That's why I think 
pluggable optics, serdes and cmos radios are critical to the design for 
when we eventually go full fiber & wireless for the last meters.

Bob
> Happy to help (you can ping me off-list). The main products are DOCSIS
> and PON these days and it kind of depends where you are, whether it is
> a new build, etc. As others said, it gets super complicated in MDUs
> and the infrastructure in place and the building agreements vary quite
> a bit.
> 
> Jason
> 
> From: Bloat <bloat-bounces at lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of Nathan
> Owens via Bloat <bloat at lists.bufferbloat.net>
> Reply-To: Nathan Owens <nathan at nathan.io>
> Date: Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 09:07
> To: Robert McMahon <rjmcmahon at rjmcmahon.com>
> Cc: Rpm <rpm at lists.bufferbloat.net>, dan <dandenson at gmail.com>,
> Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik at gmail.com>, Bruce Perens
> <bruce at perens.com>, libreqos <libreqos at lists.bufferbloat.net>, Dave
> Taht via Starlink <starlink at lists.bufferbloat.net>, bloat
> <bloat at lists.bufferbloat.net>
> Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] On fiber as critical infrastructure
> w/Comcast chat
> 
> Comcast's 6Gbps service is a niche product with probably <1000
> customers. It requires knowledge and persistence from the customer to
> actually get it installed, a process that can take many months (It's
> basically MetroE). It requires you to be within 1760ft of available
> fiber, with some limit on install cost if trenching is required. In
> some cases, you may be able to trench yourself, or cover some of the
> costs (usually thousands to tens of thousands).
> 
> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 5:04 PM Robert McMahon via Bloat
> <bloat at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> 
>> The primary cost is the optics. That's why they're p in sfp and pay
>> go
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> On Mar 25, 2023, at 4:35 PM, David Lang <david at lang.hm> wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, 25 Mar 2023, Robert McMahon via Bloat wrote:
>> 
>> The fiber has basically infinite capacity.
>> 
>> in theory, but once you start aggregating it and having to pay for
>> equipment
>> that can handle the rates, your 'infinite capaicty' starts to run
>> out really
>> fast.
>> 
>> David Lang
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