[NNagain] The rise and fall of the 90's telecom bubble
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
ocl at gih.com
Thu Nov 16 12:20:59 EST 2023
Hello all,
I have watched this discussion flourish but don't quite understand the
issues with 3G, 4G/LTE and 5G which you are relating here.
It seems to me more a problem of the carrier you are using than the
technology itself as I have been in plenty of locations in the world
with blazingly fast LTE and now 5G.
And then, what does this have to do with Network Neutrality? Excuse my
confusion but I just cannot put 2 and 2 together.
Kindest regards,
Olivier
On 16/11/2023 18:02, Dick Roy via Nnagain wrote:
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> *From:*Sebastian Moeller [mailto:moeller0 at gmx.de]
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 16, 2023 3:02 AM
> *To:* Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects
> heard this time!; Sebastian Moeller via Nnagain; Dick Roy
> *Subject:* Re: [NNagain] The rise and fall of the 90's telecom bubble
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> Update, mmmh,
>
> Virginia is apparently not only for 'lovers' but also for LTE, along
> the trip with the silver line to Dulles, my phone reported 4G, aka
> LTE, while in downtown DC EDGE-only it was...
>
> */[RR] You are really lucky! It could have said “5G” in which case
> you’d have been down to 19kbps 1980 modem rates! /**/JJ/**//*
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>
>
> Regards
> Sebsstian
>
> On 14 November 2023 13:06:39 CET, Sebastian Moeller via Nnagain
> <nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
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> Hi Richard,
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> On Nov 13, 2023, at 16:08, Dick Roy via Nnagain
> <nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: -----Original
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> [mailto:nnagain-bounces at lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of
> Sebastian Moeller via Nnagain Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023
> 6:15 AM To: Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the
> technical aspects heard this time! Cc: Sebastian Moeller
> Subject: Re: [NNagain] The rise and fall of the 90's telecom
> bubble Hi Jason,
>
> On Nov 13, 2023, at 08:54, Livingood, Jason via Nnagain
> <nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
> Would love to spend some time thinking together about
> what a smart manufacturing system would look like in
> terms of connectivity, latency, compute availability,
> anything that occurs to you. I know a guy who does
> devops for factories, and he has amazing stories --
> might be good to make that connection as well.
>
> One of the L4S (low latency, low loss, scalable
> throughput) demos that Nokia did at a recent IETF
> hackathon showed a simulated 5G access network to do low
> latency remote control of cranes in an industrial port
> facility. It seemed like one of their points was that you
> could remotely operate cargo container movements with the
> crane via a remote workforce over a low delay network
> connection - even with fairly limited bandwidth (they’d
> adjust the throughput down to just a few hundred kbps).
> While they did not say much more, I could envision a port
> operator being able to gain more efficiency by enabling a
> skilled operator to control cranes at several ports around
> the world on an as-needed basis (vs. being based in 1 port
> and having some downtime or low utilization of their
> skills/training), even from the comfort of home.
>
> I would stop doing business with such ports... there
> clearly are accidents (or sabotage/jamming) just waiting to
> happen using wireless connections for such use-cases... Yes, I
> understand that that is what Nokia sells, so everything looks
> like a nail to them, but really "caveat emptor", just because
> something can be done does not mean it should be done as
> well... Regards Sebastian P.S.: Currently in the US for
> a conference, getting reminded how shitty GSM/LTE can be, heck
> the conference WiFi (with 25K attendees) is more responsive
> than GSM... I am sure 5G might be better, but my phone is LTE
> only... [RR] Welcome to the “club”! We in the US have been
> dealing with this for over 30 years … why you ask???? ...
> answer … CDMA and the IPR behind it! It was and still is “all
> about the money!”. My phone has 5G and when download rates
> plummet to the floor, all I have to do is look at the top of
> the display, and lo and behold … I’m on 5G!!! If you believe
> 5G is going to be better, I have a bridge for you that “is
> going to be soooo much better” JJJ
>
> All good explanations for what I see, yet this is happening
> in the capital... (but truth be told, when I bought this phone I
> did not pay much attention to which bands it was suited for, it is
> not impossible that it at least partly my phone's fault that I am
> connecting with EDGE speeds, quite the throw-back to the 2000s ;)
> but back then EDGE was indeed cutting edge). About that bridge, I
> hope this is in NY city? Regards Sebastian
>
> RR
>
> Jason
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