[NNagain] separable processes for live in-person and live zoom-like faces

[Hirsch, Joy]

Dave
Thanks for your comments.  I agree that there is much ahead to study about the effects of on-line communication and to improve them.
I have attached a copy of the paper as I think you indicated it was difficult to find.
All the best
JH


Joy Hirsch, Ph.D.

Elizabeth Mears and House Jameson Professor

of Psychiatry, Comparative Medicine, and Neuroscience

Director, Brain Function Laboratory

Interdepartmental Neuroscience Program

Yale School of Medicine
Wu Tsai Institute, Yale University

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Professor of Neuroscience (ex officio)
Department of Medical Physics and Biomedical Engineering
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University College London, London WC1E 6BT, UK

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From: Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2023 4:57 PM
To: Hirsch, Joy <joy.hirsch at yale.edu>; bloat <bloat at lists.bufferbloat.net>; Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! <nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: separable processes for live in-person and live zoom-like faces

Dear Joy:

good paper that extends the idea of zoom fatigue into something closer
to zoom-induced somnolence. Thanks for doing this kind of detailed
measurements!

I would be very interested in a study of brain activity while varying
latency alone as the variable for videoconferencing. One being say, a
live video feed between the participants (0 latency) vs zoom (at
500ms), or with one jittering around, or one at, say 60ms vs 500ms. I
tend to be much happier after a day using "galene.org" which tries for
minimum latency than zoom, and still find my ability to interact
quickly across a dinner table hard to get into after too many hours on
it. Are y'all pursuing further studies?

The link to the paper is mildly puzzling in that the token is
required, and I am assuming that perhaps it is generating a
watermarked version differently on every download?

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