[NNagain] Geoff Huston's panel

[Lee]

On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 9:12 AM Dave Taht via Nnagain wrote:
>
> He is being incredibly provocative this week. It hurt to sit through this.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxO73fH0VqM

Yes, he's provocative - but also entertaining.  And don't forget the audience:

ABOUT APRICOT

Representing Asia Pacific's largest international Internet conference,
Asia Pacific Regional Internet Conference on Operational Technologies
(APRICOT) draws many of the world's best Internet engineers,
operators, researchers, service providers, users and policy
communities from over 50 countries to teach, present, and do their own
human networking.

His last slide deck seemed to be a call to arms.  He's near the end of
his career, so for all the Internet engineers, etc.  I saw it as a
"here's where we're going.  Do you want to contribute to this trend or
take the Internet in a different direction?"

For example, after talking about CDNs and how most content is now
local he brings up the bit about if 10% of your traffic costs you 90%
of your carriage costs, if I was a rational provider, I would say to
all those customers who need that 10% of the traffic go find someone
else. I'm not going to do it.  Don't forget, this is a deregulated
world - you can do that.  There is no universal obligation to carry
default.

Does network neutrality require an ISP to connect you to the Internet
at large?  Or do they get to drop the "expensive" traffic that
requires connecting to a transit provider (or however they do it now
to connect to the global Internet).

I was a bit dubious about the assertion that most traffic stays within
the AS but surprise, surprise, surprise (most people here are old
enough to remember Gomer Pyle.. right?).. youtube content is in the
Verizon network.  Start wireshark, get the IP address of the youtube
server and
$ sudo traceroute -6TAn 2600:803:f00::e
traceroute to 2600:803:f00::e (2600:803:f00::e), 30 hops max, 72 byte packets
  <.. snip ..>
 3  2600:4000:1:236::326 [AS701]  33.323 ms 2600:4000:1:236::324
[AS701]  2.542 ms 2600:4000:1:236::326 [AS701]  33.315 ms
 4  * * *
 5  2600:803:6af::6 [AS701]  3.843 ms  3.838 ms  3.834 ms
 6  2600:803:f00::e [AS701]  2.911 ms  2.216 ms  2.472 ms

Do the same for Netflix and I get three [??] different ASs:
$ sudo traceroute -6TAn 2600:1f18:631e:2f84:4f7a:4092:e2e9:c617
traceroute to 2600:1f18:631e:2f84:4f7a:4092:e2e9:c617
(2600:1f18:631e:2f84:4f7a:4092:e2e9:c617), 30 hops max, 72 byte
packets
  <.. snip ..>
 5  2600:803:9af::82 [AS701]  8.048 ms 2600:803:9af::5a [AS701]  8.297
ms 2600:803:2::5a [AS701]  8.294 ms
 6  * 2620:107:4000:c5c0::f3fd:f [*]  2.846 ms
2620:107:4000:c5c1::f3fd:20 [*]  2.810 ms
 7  2620:107:4000:cfff::f202:d5b1 [*]  8.148 ms
2620:107:4000:cfff::f203:54b1 [*]  5.289 ms
2620:107:4000:cfff::f202:d4b1 [*]  4.300 ms
 8  2620:107:4000:a793::f000:3863 [*]  4.865 ms
2620:107:4000:a610::f000:2403 [*]  5.245 ms
2620:107:4000:acd3::f000:e060 [*]  5.201 ms
 9  * * *
10  2600:1f18:631e:2f84:4f7a:4092:e2e9:c617 [AS14618/AS16509]  4.881
ms  4.864 ms  4.848 ms
11  2600:1f18:631e:2f84:4f7a:4092:e2e9:c617 [AS14618/AS16509]  6.351
ms  6.075 ms  5.935 ms

Does it violate network neutrality that youtube content takes the
"fast lane" getting to me?

and just for chuckles..
$ dig 2024.apricot.net aaaa +short
2001:dd8:f::1

$ sudo traceroute -6TAn 2001:dd8:f::1
traceroute to 2001:dd8:f::1 (2001:dd8:f::1), 30 hops max, 72 byte packets
  <.. snip ..>
 3  2600:4000:1:236::324 [AS701]  27.390 ms 2600:4000:1:236::326
[AS701]  5.711 ms 2600:4000:1:236::324 [AS701]  27.384 ms
 4  * * *
 5  * * 2001:2035:0:bb3::1 [AS1299]  7.235 ms
 6  2001:2034:1:73::1 [AS1299]  7.763 ms  6.033 ms  5.996 ms
 7  2001:2034:1:b7::1 [AS1299]  11.530 ms 2001:2034:1:b8::1 [AS1299]
10.704 ms *
 8  * * *
 9  2001:2000:3080:230d::2 [AS1299]  72.609 ms  72.594 ms  73.096 ms
10  * * *
11  * * *
12  * * *
13  * 2402:7800:10::2 [AS4826]  289.033 ms *
14  2402:7800:10:1::12 [AS4826]  290.608 ms  292.440 ms  290.840 ms
15  2402:7800:10:8::16 [AS4826]  228.836 ms  229.406 ms  231.379 ms
16  2001:dd8:8:38::2 [AS4608]  233.803 ms  231.332 ms  233.572 ms
17  2001:dd8:f::1 [AS4608]  231.822 ms  231.137 ms  232.772 ms

Oh my.. I'm betting that's a lot more than 100 miles away :)

Regards,
Lee