[Rpm] the de-evolution of rpm

[Christoph Paasch]

Hello,

> On Apr 14, 2023, at 2:02 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I was not aware until this moment of the existence of the slack
> channel, poor me!

No worries! I think we announced it a while back here on the list.

> Anyway (all?), should I discontinue this mailing list, in preference
> for that? I have had had a tendency to cc rpm at lists.bufferbloat.net on
> more general measurement stuff, but perhaps ippm or slack would be a
> better home for it now? There are 53 users on this list, but so few
> postings besides the occasional cc from the bloat list.

Yes, ok to close this mailing-list from my point-of-view.


Christoph

> 
> On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 1:15 PM Christoph Paasch <cpaasch at apple.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Dave,
>> 
>> On Apr 13, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Dave Taht via Rpm <rpm at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I have not been paying a lot of attention here of late. I objected to
>> the enormous number of flows goresponsiveness was doing, and strongly
>> suggested it run to time of first loss or mark.
>> 
>> I find 4 flows enough
>> to stress out a network.
>> 
>> 
>> 4 flows should often be enough to utilize a network at its full capacity. However, are 4 flows going to provide you stable working conditions in such a way that the bottleneck’s buffers are entirely full over an extended period without fluctuations due to the congestion-response of the individual flows? Also, what is the convergence time to reach stable working conditions and full buffer utilization at 4 flows?
>> 
>> Now, that being said. I don’t think that the exact number of flows is that important. They just need to be enough to fill the buffers in a stable way. All nit-picking on the number of flows just distracts us from actually solving problems on the Internet.
>> 
>> Anyway, is the structure of networkQuality
>> changing any in ippm?
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, the IETF-draft is continuously evolving. You can read the latest version at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-responsiveness.
>> 
>> Discussions around the methodology and the development of the tools as well as addressing issues we find in open-source networking stacks is all happening at the “Network-quality community”, at https://github.com/network-quality/community/wiki. We have a slack-channel and a weekly meeting. Everyone who is actively working on development is invited to join our slack-channel and attend the weekly meetings. (The "active development" is a strong requirement )
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Christoph
>> 
>> Some context here:
>> 
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/amazoneero/comments/12ksu9d/sqm_optimizing_for_videoconferencing_and_gaming/jg4zsq2/?context=8&depth=9
>> 
>> 
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