[Starlink] Starlink tidbits from NANOG

Thu Nov 4 13:11:49 EDT 2021

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 9:46 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have an ipv4/23 lying around since the 90s. I don't want to sell it,
> but my co-owner and I would really like a dishy and a static IPv4/IPv6
> address... and service for life... and whatever else we could
> negotiate. :)

Perhaps 2 zeroth addresses in exchange, also. Getting 0 back is order
millions more real ipv4s for the world. code's in linux and bsd now.

https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-schoen-intarea-lowest-address-00.txt

(there's a preso nov 9th in intarea on this)

> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 8:26 AM Darrell Budic <budic at onholyground.com> wrote:
> >
> > I was at NANOG in Minneapolis, and got a chance to ask a couple question of a Starlink Network Engineer who’s attending. I was already talking to him about Starlink’s network efforts (see below) but it was nice to meet in person. Don’t quote me on any of this, but here’s a few tidbits this list may appreciate:
> >
> > - Starlink is expanding their own network operations, and is connecting to more IXPs. They were already on SIX in Seattle, have connected to DECIX NY, and are in the process of connecting to ChIX in Chicago. As I run ChIX, I had a good excuse to talk to them about other things. :) IXPs and their own networks are in the works for Europe and other areas as well.
>
> It was my dream they would realize the huge number of small isps that
> would like to peer with starlink and leverage those. I'd like to
> restore
> the original, routable internet back out to the edges where it
> belongs. But that's me. The whole "Terminal" language bothers me, when
> there's
> so much more that could be created locally along the edge if only
> stuff could move there. Email back to the edge, videoconfernening
> services across villiages....
>
> > - They have been obtaining more v4 addresses, but I don’t know if they have enough to not do CGNAT. I don't think they do yet, but it seems like it may be a long term target.
>
> I keep hoping for IETF action politically on opening up 0/8 and 240/4.
> There are of course a vast swath of military/8 assignments... I've
> lost track did the post office ever sell any off? There's space left
> in 44/8 too if they are willing to talk to ardc but that would have to
> go to an open bid.
>
> > - v6 is deliberately not fully functional, but they know some of use are using it and it will eventually be fully activated. May be waiting on the regional connectivity, so will be intersting to see if changes for some areas and not others as they roll it out.
>
> Deliberate... well, if you ship 10 year old openwrt software to users
> (we'd made a big push for ipv6 there before ipv6 launch day in 2013),
> and
> don't keep up...  I guess you could call that deliberate. I'm pretty
> happy with openwrt 20.2.1. IMHO: ipv6 really requires a modern kernel
> and tools, not less than 4 years old, to deploy well. Maybe there's a
> worthwhile SDR stack, I don't know...
>
> Lately it seems like ipv6 things have been moving backwards with flow
> offloads in certain chipsets being very limited or very buggy with
> ipv6. Offloads in general have been cropping up as an increasing
> problem - lot's of enthusiasm for putting in RED into nvidia's cards
> apparently.
>
> > - They hate Google's outsourced NOC as much as the rest of us
>
> Do say more. :) I'm told google at least have a very nice set of tools
> for looking at the characteristics of interchange traffic.
>
> > - New ground stations with more capacity are coming (and will be upgrades).
>
> Would so love universities to get in on some of those. I remember the IMP.
>
> > They are using waves back to regional DCs now, but will be moving to dark fiber over the next year or two
>
> "waves"?
>
> > - the new satellites have more than 2 lasers, and there is enough capacity on them to do routing. no details on how or what protocols, alas
>
> Still on a custom mac, though, I suppose. Thx for all the teasers,
> this is the most info I've seen in months. Way better than hitting
> reload on reddit. :P
>
> > - new birds also have 2-3x more ku bandwidth than first gen
>
> up and down?
>
> My take on the up problem was that it was regulatory. ?
>
> (and they really need ack-filtering)
>
> > - new dishes are in the works, v4 coming with lower power use, more capacity, not round any more
> > - larger dishes coming for commercial apps
>
> > - as we know, they aren’t doing any AQM yet, but it sounds like it may be in the works and we may see it in new code in 4-6 months. Not my guys department, so no more details.
>
> fq is a better start.
>
> Just someone telling me under pain of death, "dave, you can't talk for
> X months, but we're going to do cake/fq-codel/pie/something" would be
> comforting. There's a whole internet elsewhere left to fix, starlink
> getting it right and a little publicity around it would do wonders...
> and certainly wifi is highest on my list. As it is, I got annoyed
> enough last week to try and get the autorate sensing code to work well
> on starlink. There's a prototype now that seems to be working well on
> lte, see here: https://forum.openwrt.org/t/cakes-autorate-ingress-testing-needed/108848/186
>
> Testers wanted.
>
>  Fixing fixed wireless has been a pain point far, far, far greater
> than the disappointment I felt at starlink so totally missing the
> bufferbloat problem initially. It will take a decade to sort out 5g,
> 4-6 months more for starlink oh! yes! yes! yes!
>
> More news on that as it happens.
>
> > - it’s encrypted up and down. I didn’t know that yet, but I may have just missed it.
>
> I did. But it's really hard to trust that black box and the world has
> otherwise shifted to e2e encryption.
>
> >
> >   -Darrell
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