[Starlink] Starlink terminal detector
Gary E. Miller
gem at rellim.com
Mon Dec 19 19:50:06 EST 2022
Yo Oleg!
Thanks for the update. Our hearts go out to all of you there.
RGDS
GARY
On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 02:46:55 +0200
Oleg Kutkov via Starlink <starlink at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> Greeting from Kyiv, where I'm sitting without electricity and proper
> internet connectivity. Thanks to dozens of Russian missiles and drone
> attacks very last night.
>
> No one was forcing them to attack our country and destroy our cities
> and energy infrastructure. That's what they are doing right now, in
> the middle of the winter. They killed, raped, and kidnapped thousands
> of civilians. Recently discovered children torture rooms on liberated
> territories. It's pure terrorism.
>
> So they have a really simple choice - do something with their crazy
> autocrat or come here as occupants and suffer in the mud and cold
> doing military crimes.
>
> At the same time, we have no choice here in Ukraine. We must protect
> our lives and country. Sometimes it feels like we are solving their
> problem with their government. Sadly, it takes so many lives...
> The main difference is that in Ukraine, no one is hunting for
> conscripts with the police. And are there different legal ways to
> avoid conscription. We have a lot of military and civilian
> volunteers. Everyone is trying to do something to help and save the
> future.
>
>
> Sorry for off-topic.
>
> ---
>
> The Dishy is easy to camouflage. And there is no easy way to detect
> directional Ku band transmission. We made different kinds of
> measurements. So it is up to WiFi. The solution is currently rolling
> out on Starlink routers.
>
> On 12/20/22 01:34, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrote:
> >
> > Greetings from Hiroshima where, on August 6, 1945, at this time in
> > the morning, I would've had a couple of minutes left to live where
> > I am sitting and typing this now. Makes one think. Neither Russia
> > nor Ukraine respect the right to conscientious objection. Seeing my
> > colleagues at work who are from mixed Russian and Ukrainian
> > families makes it hit home daily what war means to them and their
> > loved ones. Having to worry about a top student of mine whose
> > Russian parents' business is affected by the war, and who may not
> > be able to pay his international student fees next year, and may
> > have to return home to face conscription and the meat grinder. He
> > could be one of those who we see gleeful YouTube videos of, having
> > bombs dropped on them from drones, with no shelter, wriggling in
> > pain as they take their last breath. Makes me forget the price tag
> > of the missiles for the moment.
> >
> > That said, the Starlink WiFi router is of course only one RF source
> > a detector might want to zero in on, and as it's been pointed out
> > it's easily camouflaged or spoofed on the RF side of things. The
> > satcom signal off the Dishy is another, and it's not as easily
> > spoofed. However, Dishy will point itself where it can see most
> > relay-capable satellites, which in Ukraine will be in a western or
> > northwestern direction. Which means pointing the signal away from
> > Russia and the detectors in most cases. Russians are by and large
> > clever folks (never judge a people by its autocratic leaders) and
> > are probably well aware of this. So we can book that military blog
> > entry under fog of war misinformation.
> >
> > On 20/12/2022 5:07 am, Dave Taht via Starlink wrote:
> >> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 7:54 AM Eric via Starlink
> >> <starlink at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Get a bunch of US$3 ESP8266 devices, set them up in AP mode with
> >> >
> >> spoofed Starlink MACs and BSSIDs, power them with solar cells +
> >> old vape-pen batteries and spread them all over the place. There's
> >> nothing like causing the other side to shoot $50k missiles at a
> >> $15 decoy.
> >>
> >> Well, the difference in amount of traffic generated by an idle AP
> >> vs one in use would be large, and the interference
> >> caused by simulating traffic on the other APs a pita, but narrow
> >> channels and a bunch of APs does thin the herd.
> >>
> >> Meshy mode, at least adhoc, has fewer identifying signatures in the
> >> packet header, making an "AP" less obvious.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > ------- Original Message -------
> >> > On Sunday, December 18th, 2022 at 20:49, David Lang via Starlink
> >> >
> >> <starlink at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > and change the name of the starlink wifi so it doesn't stand
> >> > > out
> >> as much.
> >> > >
> >> > > David Lang
> >> > >
> >> > > On Mon, 19 Dec 2022, Oleg Kutkov via Starlink wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > From the beginning, the general rule is don't use Starlink
> >> > > > WiFi. Or hide the router somewhere to reduce RF emissions.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > We have developed a set of rules and recommendations about
> >> using a PoE
> >> > > > injector or bypassing the Starlink router.
> >> > > > Unfortunately, a lot of people ignore safety.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > But there are some countermeasures on the way.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On 12/19/22 05:03, Oleg Kutkov via Starlink wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Actually, there is nothing special.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > You can capture WiFi beacons and get a BSSID with a good
> >> directional
> >> > > > > antenna. 10 - 15 km it's not a problem.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > They are filtering Starlink router BSSID to figure out
> >> > > > > that
> >> somewhere
> >> > > > > there is Starlink.
> >> > > > > Starlink WiFi router uses Tibro corp. (74:24: prefix).
> >> > > > > On 12/19/22 04:41, Dave Taht via Starlink wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Starlink detector boasted about... 10km range.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> https://www.notebookcheck.net/Starlink-terminal-detection-radar-to-enter-testing-in-Ukraine-as-per-Russian-military-blogger.675439.0.html
> >>
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > > I would have figured on starlinks less further front,
> >> combined with
> >> > > > > > non los radios and ptp wifi being viable. Targeting
> >> > > > > > every wifi transmitter is a low percentage play, and
> >> > > > > > adhoc modes for
> >> directional
> >> > > > > > wifi with synthetic mac's harder to distinguish ...
> >> > > > > >
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> >> --
> >> This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work:
> >> https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665607352320-FXtz
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> >
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> >
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> >
> > The University of Auckland
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RGDS
GARY
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