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From: Stuart Cheshire <cheshire@apple.com>
To: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Cc: Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>,
	"Mohit P. Tahiliani" <tahiliani@nitk.edu.in>
Subject: [Bloat] Re: The hell has frozen: Latency mentioned at APNIC 62, during a keynote!
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 11:24:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <24DF2C83-5FB2-44FB-B69F-6BDA27F0191C@apple.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJUtOOh-9ohS_m8PvhLt84mCA4KDnR6Y3Hh5awKaoSH6Ds93Cw@mail.gmail.com>

> On Sep 10, 2026, at 10:37, Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> "The scarce resource is not bandwidth, or compute. It is latency."
> 
> https://conference.apnic.net/62/assets/presentation-files/93297823-389f-4ff6-ba5f-73cfe12a367b.pdf
> 
> Incredible. Thanks to Mohit for catching this gem.

Nice, but I would not express it that way.

Calling latency a “scarce resource” sends the wrong message. It reinforces the incorrect idea that low-latency service is a rare commodity, in short supply, that can only be provided to the small privileged minority that can afford it. This is the wrong-headed thinking behind priorities, traffic classes, DiffServ, etc. People assume latency, like bandwidth, is a zero-sum game. (“Better latency for me means worse latency for you.”) The great insight of L4S is that latency is not a zero-sum game. *All* traffic can receive low latency, and that benefit is not counterbalanced by some corresponding degradation elsewhere. L4S with short queues is just universally better than tail-drop with long queues, and there is no hidden caveat or disclaimer on that statement.

Instead of the word “scarce” I would use “important” or “valuable”.

It is true that milliseconds are precious -- once wasted you can’t get them back, but there is no scarcity of them.

Stuart Cheshire


  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-17 18:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-10 17:37 [Bloat] The hell has frozen: Latency mentioned at APNIC 62, during a keynote! Frantisek Borsik
2026-09-17 18:24 ` Stuart Cheshire [this message]
2026-09-17 19:56   ` [Bloat] " Neal Cardwell
2026-09-17 21:14     ` Richard Scheffenegger
2026-09-18  0:16     ` Stuart Cheshire
     [not found] <178969057349.1938.14005152589460246388@gauss>
2026-09-18 12:11 ` Rich Brown
2026-09-18 21:41   ` bob.mcmahon
2026-09-19 10:03   ` Sebastian Moeller

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