[Bloat] [Starlink] On fiber as critical infrastructure w/Comcast chat

Bruce Perens bruce at perens.com
Sat Mar 25 16:09:42 EDT 2023

I've never met a Comcast sales person who was able to operate at the level
you're talking about. I think you would do better with a smaller company.

I think you were also unrealistic if not disingenuous about lives put at
risk. Alarms do not require more than 300 baud.

Comcast would actually like to sell individual internet service for each of
the five units. That's what they're geared to do. You're not going to get
that very high speed rate for that ridiculously low price and fan it out to
five domiciles. They would offer that for a single home and the users that
could be expected in a single home, or maybe a small business but I think
they would charge a business more. I pay Comcast more for a very small
business at a lower rate.

I think realistically the fiber connections you're talking about at the
data rate you request in the privilege of fanning out to five domiciles
should cost about $2400 per month.

I get the complaint about wires on the outside etc. But who are you
expecting to do that work? If you expect Comcast and their competitors to
do that as part of their standard installation, you're asking for tens of
thousands of dollars of work, and if that is to be the standard then
everyone must pay much more than today. Nobody wants that, and most folks
don't care about the current standard of installation. If this mattered
enough to your homeowners association, they could pay for it.

On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 12:39 rjmcmahon via Starlink <
starlink at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
> I've been trying to modernize a building in Boston where I'm an HOA
> board member over the last 18 mos. I perceive the broadband network as a
> critical infrastructure to our 5 unit building.
> Unfortunately, Comcast staff doesn't seem to agree. The agent basically
> closed the chat on me mid-stream (chat attached.) I've been at this for
> about 18 mos now.
> While I think bufferbloat is a big issue, the bigger issue is that our
> last-mile providers must change their cultures to understand that life
> support use cases that require proper pathways, conduits & cabling can
> no longer be ignored. These buildings have coaxial thrown over the
> exterior walls done in the 80s then drilling holes without consideration
> of structures. This and the lack of environmental protections for our
> HOA's critical infrastructure is disheartening. It's past time to remove
> this shoddy work on our building and all buildings in Boston as well as
> across the globe.
> My hope was by now I'd have shown through actions what a historic
> building in Boston looks like when we, as humans in our short lives, act
> as both stewards of history and as responsible guardians to those that
> share living spaces and neighborhoods today & tomorrow. Motivating
> humans to better serve one another is hard.
> Bob_______________________________________________
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