[NNagain] The Verge: The quiet plan to make the internet feel faster

[Livingood, Jason]

>“A possible L4S end game?”

Doubtful; latency is just emerging as a new competitive factor – like throughput. I also think – if we care about reducing latency – we should embrace whatever works well and achieves scale (Betamax vs VHS).  😉

From: Nnagain <nnagain-bounces at lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net>
Reply-To: Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! <nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net>
Date: Monday, December 11, 2023 at 04:39
To: Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! <nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net>
Cc: Frank Borsik <frantisek.borsik at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NNagain] The Verge: The quiet plan to make the internet feel faster

Top story on HN:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38597744<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38597744__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!GwQbx9aZkco3K1qGFRsxRUzv1OhKS4Z_VrLHVujgUUvBPCyE0d0IbvZ4TLUixlfHEGkYd3JYZR-qh71u3oORLkrntyFCpWS8$>

My pick for top comment:

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A possible L4S end game? 😁



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On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 at 7:22 PM, Robert McMahon via Nnagain <nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net<mailto:nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net>> wrote:
Sorry, this isn't a very good technical analysis. It's a push agenda for AQM. I get that many people's egos are tied to their belief that my algorithm came down from God himself. It's not true though.

Bob
On Dec 10, 2023, at 3:12 AM, Sauli Kiviranta via Nnagain <nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net<mailto:nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net>> wrote:

I find it alarming for the future of internet that there is a trend to
use elbowing techniques to squeeze metrics out at the expense of all
other flows. We know that when nobody plays fair the arms race ends
badly.

Best regards,
Sauli

On 12/10/23, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net<mailto:nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net>> wrote:

 Well, to be completely honest, I would say its about general public, really
 - it’s an article in The Verge :-)

 But yeah. Here’s something they should address:

 https://github.com/heistp/l4s-tests#key-findings<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/heistp/l4s-tests*key-findings__;Iw!!CQl3mcHX2A!GwQbx9aZkco3K1qGFRsxRUzv1OhKS4Z_VrLHVujgUUvBPCyE0d0IbvZ4TLUixlfHEGkYd3JYZR-qh71u3oORLkrnt_Jjdven$>

 In general - a potential harm to innocent bystanders is a biggest L4S
 problem:
 https://www.linkedin.com/posts/frantisekborsik_jonathanmorton-l4s-ietf118-activity-7128317873571176448-GWAX<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.linkedin.com/posts/frantisekborsik_jonathanmorton-l4s-ietf118-activity-7128317873571176448-GWAX__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!GwQbx9aZkco3K1qGFRsxRUzv1OhKS4Z_VrLHVujgUUvBPCyE0d0IbvZ4TLUixlfHEGkYd3JYZR-qh71u3oORLkrnt5RQfEuC$>




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 On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 at 5:48 AM, Matt Mathis via Nnagain <
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 About L4S

 https://www.theverge.com/23655762/l4s-internet-apple-comcast-latency-speed-bandwidth<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.theverge.com/23655762/l4s-internet-apple-comcast-latency-speed-bandwidth__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!GwQbx9aZkco3K1qGFRsxRUzv1OhKS4Z_VrLHVujgUUvBPCyE0d0IbvZ4TLUixlfHEGkYd3JYZR-qh71u3oORLkrnt4RcaVq3$>

 It says something about their target audience that they feel they need to
 explain bytes vs bits.

 Thanks,
 --MM--
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 to apply it to others.

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