* [Cake] Re: vpn as wan interface on freshtomato, other fiber I control as wan interface for freshtomato (which uses cake)
2026-08-23 23:04 ` [Cake] vpn as wan interface on freshtomato, other fiber I control as wan interface for freshtomato (which uses cake) le berger des photons
@ 2026-08-24 6:28 ` Sebastian Moeller
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From: Sebastian Moeller @ 2026-08-24 6:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: thejoff; +Cc: cake
Hi,
since you seem to be concerned about a legal issue, you really should be talking to a lawyer versed in the respective law of your country, I have a hunch, that copy right infringement is still copy right infringement independent of rate.
About the technical issue, you would need some DPI to semi-reliably detect p2p applications (sure well behaved ones might use specific known ports, but you seem to be after not-well-behaved ones as well) and then some marking/QoS trickery to steer such flows into suitable capacity tiers, and you would need to do this for ingress traffic. Side stepping the legal issues, I would look into qosify/luci-app-qosify and QoSmateb as starting points for OpenWrt, or given you seem to be acting as ISP maybe even LibreQoS (which will not solve the special-casing p2p issue by itself, but might be a decent way to manage your low/mid hundreds of users).
> On Aug 24, 2026, at 01:04, le berger des photons <thejoff@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I've been using tomato for 20 years. Just started using cake with
> freshtomato. Most of my routers are distributing 200 to 300 gigabytes per
> day to 40 or 50 clients.
>
> I have 9 different fibre optics, each capable of 1 gigabit/second. I use
> less than 100 megabits per second for each ot them.
>
> It occurs to me that I could perhaps benefit by putting a fast computer on
> one of the fibers and having the other eight fibers' routers pull their wan
> interface from that one fiber.
>
> I saw that using cake with 8 qos priorities still left people with huge
> bandwidth on priority 8.
>
> When I was using SQM, I set the speed limits on each class. I would use a
> rule to limit all p2p protocols to that low speed.
>
> Now using cake, I'm concerned that an illegal downloader could cause me
> problems.
>
> When I knew it would take a week to get a film, I didn't worry about it.
>
> Please tell me if you think what I've written represents the real world at
> all as opposed to a likely massive grouping of bad assumptions and
> misunderstandings on my part.
>
> thanks
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2026 at 12:25 AM <cake-request@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
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>> allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat over Wi-Fi"
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>> allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat over Wi-Fi"
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>> 4. Re: "I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL specifically
>> allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat over Wi-Fi"
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>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2026 23:54:14 +0200
>> From: Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Cake] "I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL
>> specifically allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat over Wi-Fi"
>> To: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>, Cake List
>> <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>, codel@lists.bufferbloat.net,
>> Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>
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>> "Let it be in memory of Dave Taht, he would have been happy."
>>
>> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/6624
>> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/aql-and-the-ath10k-is-lovely/59002/948
>>
>> AMAZING. This is for you, Dave <3
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>>
>>
>> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
>>
>> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: St Pavl <mail@forum.openwrt.org>
>> Date: Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at 11:35 PM
>> Subject: OpenWrt Forum: AQL and the ath10k is *lovely*
>> To: <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Someone replied to a topic you are Watching.
>> St Pavl <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/sppmaster> sppmaster
>> August 23
>>
>> ka2107:
>>
>> Is WiFi AQL supported in ath11k driver
>>
>> vochong:
>>
>> No, it’s not yet supported in ath11k driver.
>>
>> It's just around the corner, thankfully to @JuliusBairaktaris
>> <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/juliusbairaktaris>.
>>
>> Qualcommax NSS Build
>> <https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/6624> Community
>> Builds, Projects & Packages
>> <https://forum.openwrt.org/c/community-builds-projects-packages/11>
>>
>> I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL specifically allowed me
>> to almost eliminate bufferbloat over wifi: In the PPE (hardware): Wi-Fi
>> download rate — shaped by the CPU port's token bucket via cpu_port_rate,
>> because every frame to a Wi-Fi client leaves the switch by port 0. Wi-Fi
>> upload rate — shaped by the WAN egress tbf, same as wired. Classification —
>> the ACL marks small frames into the priority band for everything the switch
>> forwards. Not in the PPE, and can't be: Which…
>>
>> Let it be in memory of @dtaht <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/dtaht>, he
>> would
>> have been happy.
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2026 14:57:59 -0700
>> From: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
>> Subject: [Cake] Re: "I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k.
>> AQL specifically allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat over
>> Wi-Fi"
>> To: Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
>> Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>, Cake List
>> <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>, codel@lists.bufferbloat.net,
>> Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>
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>>
>> Fantastic!
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2026, 2:43 PM Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Let it be in memory of Dave Taht, he would have been happy."
>>>
>>> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/6624
>>> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/aql-and-the-ath10k-is-lovely/59002/948
>>>
>>> AMAZING. This is for you, Dave <3
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>>>
>>>
>>> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
>>>
>>> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
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>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: St Pavl <mail@forum.openwrt.org>
>>> Date: Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at 11:35 PM
>>> Subject: OpenWrt Forum: AQL and the ath10k is *lovely*
>>> To: <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Someone replied to a topic you are Watching.
>>> St Pavl <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/sppmaster> sppmaster
>>> August 23
>>>
>>> ka2107:
>>>
>>> Is WiFi AQL supported in ath11k driver
>>>
>>> vochong:
>>>
>>> No, it’s not yet supported in ath11k driver.
>>>
>>> It's just around the corner, thankfully to @JuliusBairaktaris
>>> <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/juliusbairaktaris>.
>>>
>>> Qualcommax NSS Build
>>> <https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/6624> Community
>>> Builds, Projects & Packages
>>> <https://forum.openwrt.org/c/community-builds-projects-packages/11>
>>>
>>> I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL specifically allowed
>> me
>>> to almost eliminate bufferbloat over wifi: In the PPE (hardware): Wi-Fi
>>> download rate — shaped by the CPU port's token bucket via cpu_port_rate,
>>> because every frame to a Wi-Fi client leaves the switch by port 0. Wi-Fi
>>> upload rate — shaped by the WAN egress tbf, same as wired.
>> Classification —
>>> the ACL marks small frames into the priority band for everything the
>> switch
>>> forwards. Not in the PPE, and can't be: Which…
>>>
>>> Let it be in memory of @dtaht <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/dtaht>, he
>>> would
>>> have been happy.
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2026 00:16:32 +0200
>> From: Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Cake] Re: "I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k.
>> AQL specifically allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat over
>> Wi-Fi"
>> To: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
>> Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>, Cake List
>> <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>, codel@lists.bufferbloat.net,
>> Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAJUtOOj1t+hX_nrx4HGFxivvshD=
>> yCC7sPsk1wm5GSnudKcBYQ@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> And I found the guy https://github.com/JuliusBairaktaris - great stuff!
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>>
>>
>> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
>>
>> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
>>
>>
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
>>
>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
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>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at 11:58 PM Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Fantastic!
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2026, 2:43 PM Frantisek Borsik <
>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Let it be in memory of Dave Taht, he would have been happy."
>>>>
>>>> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/6624
>>>> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/aql-and-the-ath10k-is-lovely/59002/948
>>>>
>>>> AMAZING. This is for you, Dave <3
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
>>>>
>>>> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
>>>>
>>>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
>>>>
>>>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
>>>>
>>>> Skype: casioa5302ca
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>>>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: St Pavl <mail@forum.openwrt.org>
>>>> Date: Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at 11:35 PM
>>>> Subject: OpenWrt Forum: AQL and the ath10k is *lovely*
>>>> To: <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Someone replied to a topic you are Watching.
>>>> St Pavl <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/sppmaster> sppmaster
>>>> August 23
>>>>
>>>> ka2107:
>>>>
>>>> Is WiFi AQL supported in ath11k driver
>>>>
>>>> vochong:
>>>>
>>>> No, it’s not yet supported in ath11k driver.
>>>>
>>>> It's just around the corner, thankfully to @JuliusBairaktaris
>>>> <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/juliusbairaktaris>.
>>>>
>>>> Qualcommax NSS Build
>>>> <https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/6624>
>> Community
>>>> Builds, Projects & Packages
>>>> <https://forum.openwrt.org/c/community-builds-projects-packages/11>
>>>>
>>>> I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL specifically allowed
>> me
>>>> to almost eliminate bufferbloat over wifi: In the PPE (hardware): Wi-Fi
>>>> download rate — shaped by the CPU port's token bucket via cpu_port_rate,
>>>> because every frame to a Wi-Fi client leaves the switch by port 0. Wi-Fi
>>>> upload rate — shaped by the WAN egress tbf, same as wired.
>> Classification
>>>> —
>>>> the ACL marks small frames into the priority band for everything the
>>>> switch
>>>> forwards. Not in the PPE, and can't be: Which…
>>>>
>>>> Let it be in memory of @dtaht <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/dtaht>, he
>>>> would
>>>> have been happy.
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Visit Topic
>>>> <https://forum.openwrt.org/t/aql-and-the-ath10k-is-lovely/59002/948> or
>>>> reply to this email to respond.
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2026 00:35:29 +0200
>> From: Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Cake] Re: "I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k.
>> AQL specifically allowed me to almost eliminate bufferbloat over
>> Wi-Fi"
>> To: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
>> Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>, Cake List
>> <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>, codel@lists.bufferbloat.net,
>> Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAJUtOOjX7L98En0brnm4fiK2CZxhBntznv0k=
>> 6PB02GX+xyZQQ@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> This guy is s!ck: https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/pull/24806
>> Nice.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>>
>>
>> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
>>
>> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
>>
>>
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
>>
>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
>>
>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
>>
>> Skype: casioa5302ca
>>
>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2026 at 12:16 AM Frantisek Borsik <
>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And I found the guy https://github.com/JuliusBairaktaris - great stuff!
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>>>
>>>
>>> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
>>>
>>> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
>>>
>>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
>>>
>>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
>>>
>>> Skype: casioa5302ca
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>>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at 11:58 PM Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fantastic!
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2026, 2:43 PM Frantisek Borsik <
>>>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Let it be in memory of Dave Taht, he would have been happy."
>>>>>
>>>>> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/6624
>>>>> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/aql-and-the-ath10k-is-lovely/59002/948
>>>>>
>>>>> AMAZING. This is for you, Dave <3
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
>>>>>
>>>>> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
>>>>>
>>>>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
>>>>>
>>>>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
>>>>>
>>>>> Skype: casioa5302ca
>>>>>
>>>>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>> From: St Pavl <mail@forum.openwrt.org>
>>>>> Date: Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at 11:35 PM
>>>>> Subject: OpenWrt Forum: AQL and the ath10k is *lovely*
>>>>> To: <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone replied to a topic you are Watching.
>>>>> St Pavl <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/sppmaster> sppmaster
>>>>> August 23
>>>>>
>>>>> ka2107:
>>>>>
>>>>> Is WiFi AQL supported in ath11k driver
>>>>>
>>>>> vochong:
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it’s not yet supported in ath11k driver.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's just around the corner, thankfully to @JuliusBairaktaris
>>>>> <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/juliusbairaktaris>.
>>>>>
>>>>> Qualcommax NSS Build
>>>>> <https://forum.openwrt.org/t/qualcommax-nss-build/148529/6624>
>> Community
>>>>> Builds, Projects & Packages
>>>>> <https://forum.openwrt.org/c/community-builds-projects-packages/11>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was able to implement AQL and ATF in ath11k. AQL specifically allowed
>>>>> me
>>>>> to almost eliminate bufferbloat over wifi: In the PPE (hardware): Wi-Fi
>>>>> download rate — shaped by the CPU port's token bucket via
>> cpu_port_rate,
>>>>> because every frame to a Wi-Fi client leaves the switch by port 0.
>> Wi-Fi
>>>>> upload rate — shaped by the WAN egress tbf, same as wired.
>>>>> Classification —
>>>>> the ACL marks small frames into the priority band for everything the
>>>>> switch
>>>>> forwards. Not in the PPE, and can't be: Which…
>>>>>
>>>>> Let it be in memory of @dtaht <https://forum.openwrt.org/u/dtaht>, he
>>>>> would
>>>>> have been happy.
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Visit Topic
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