From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
To: bob.mcmahon@umbernetworks.com
Cc: David Lang <david@lang.hm>, Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>,
Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>,
codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, dan <dandenson@gmail.com>,
Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>, Jiml <jiml@quicksmart.com>,
William Fisher <zzyzxr99@gmail.com>, Thomas <thomas@monjalon.net>,
Tim Odriscoll <tim.odriscoll@intel.com>,
Koen DS <koen0607@gmail.com>
Subject: [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Bloat] Re: [Codel] [Rpm] Re: Re: [Cake] "Fi-Wi is a new forwarding plane for wireless" - Bob McMahon
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2026 23:53:51 -0700 (MST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <n8185708-p063-spp4-04n9-p03806037r7r@ynat.uz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <96b49cf26ef92dc866b072f1f455b648@umbernetworks.com>
bob.mcmahon@umbernetworks.com wrote:
>> you may be able to make a dent in the AP use of airtime, but how are you
>> going to coordinate the wifi devices you are talking to that are using so
>> much of it, and doing most of the hidden transmitter stomping on each
>> other? you can do channel allocation and lower the AP power to reduce (and
>> if you can use DFS channels almost eliminate) the APs stepping on each
>> other, but doesn't solve the mobile device coordination.
>>
>
> David,
>
> The first answer is RRH density.
>
> With many RRHs distributed through the building, each RRH serves a smaller
> number of STAs in a smaller physical area. STAs associated to the same RRH
> are much more likely to hear each other, so the hidden-node precondition
> becomes less common by construction. Hidden node requires two STAs that
> cannot hear each other but share the same AP. Shrink the cell and the
> geometry works in your favor before any other mechanism is applied.
to support the 3000+ users, I deploy over 120 openWRT APs, as many as 10 in a
single room (usually 5+)
David Lang
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-06-08 6:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-05-14 14:40 [Make-wifi-fast] "Fi-Wi is a new forwarding plane for wireless" - Bob McMahon Frantisek Borsik
2026-05-14 17:08 ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Cake] " David Lang
2026-05-14 15:20 ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-05-14 19:38 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-05-14 19:55 ` David Lang
2026-05-15 11:11 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-05-15 13:57 ` David Lang
2026-05-15 14:18 ` David Lang
2026-05-15 15:17 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-05-19 13:52 ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Bloat] " Livingood, Jason
2026-05-19 18:59 ` David Lang
2026-05-19 22:45 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-05-21 19:42 ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-05-21 20:02 ` dan
2026-05-22 16:36 ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Rpm] " Robert McMahon
2026-05-23 2:18 ` dan
2026-05-23 16:36 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-05-23 22:12 ` dan
2026-05-24 20:06 ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-05-24 21:57 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-05-25 5:43 ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-05-25 6:58 ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Codel] " Sebastian Moeller
2026-05-25 12:45 ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-05-25 13:36 ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Codel] " Sebastian Moeller
2026-06-07 6:15 ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-06-07 9:03 ` Sebastian Moeller
2026-06-07 10:19 ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Bloat] Re: [Codel] [Rpm] " David Lang
2026-06-07 18:10 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-06-07 18:30 ` dan
2026-06-07 19:10 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-06-08 0:29 ` dan
2026-06-08 2:55 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-06-08 4:06 ` David Lang
2026-06-08 6:26 ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2026-06-08 3:59 ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Bloat] " David Lang
2026-06-08 5:18 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-06-08 6:53 ` David Lang [this message]
2026-06-08 10:29 ` Frantisek Borsik
[not found] ` <e68abec2-6fd8-4fc4-ad26-5ca10859551c@rogers.com>
2026-06-09 3:40 ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Codel] Re: [Bloat] " bob.mcmahon
2026-06-07 6:49 ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Bloat] Re: [Codel] " David Lang
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