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From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
To: bob.mcmahon@umbernetworks.com
Cc: David Lang <david@lang.hm>, Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>,
	Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>,
	codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, dan <dandenson@gmail.com>,
	Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>, Jiml <jiml@quicksmart.com>,
	William Fisher <zzyzxr99@gmail.com>, Thomas <thomas@monjalon.net>,
	Tim Odriscoll <tim.odriscoll@intel.com>,
	Koen DS <koen0607@gmail.com>
Subject: [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Bloat] Re: [Codel] [Rpm] Re: Re: [Cake] "Fi-Wi is a new forwarding plane for wireless" - Bob McMahon
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2026 23:53:51 -0700 (MST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <n8185708-p063-spp4-04n9-p03806037r7r@ynat.uz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <96b49cf26ef92dc866b072f1f455b648@umbernetworks.com>

bob.mcmahon@umbernetworks.com wrote:

>> you may be able to make a dent in the AP use of airtime, but how are you 
>> going to coordinate the wifi devices you are talking to that are using so 
>> much of it, and doing most of the hidden transmitter stomping on each 
>> other? you can do channel allocation and lower the AP power to reduce (and 
>> if you can use DFS channels almost eliminate) the APs stepping on each 
>> other, but doesn't solve the mobile device coordination.
>> 
>
> David,
>
> The first answer is RRH density.
>
> With many RRHs distributed through the building, each RRH serves a smaller 
> number of STAs in a smaller physical area. STAs associated to the same RRH 
> are much more likely to hear each other, so the hidden-node precondition 
> becomes less common by construction. Hidden node requires two STAs that 
> cannot hear each other but share the same AP. Shrink the cell and the 
> geometry works in your favor before any other mechanism is applied.

to support the 3000+ users, I deploy over 120 openWRT APs, as many as 10 in a 
single room (usually 5+)

David Lang

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-08  6:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-14 14:40 [Make-wifi-fast] "Fi-Wi is a new forwarding plane for wireless" - Bob McMahon Frantisek Borsik
2026-05-14 17:08 ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Cake] " David Lang
2026-05-14 15:20   ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-05-14 19:38     ` bob.mcmahon
2026-05-14 19:55       ` David Lang
2026-05-15 11:11         ` bob.mcmahon
2026-05-15 13:57           ` David Lang
2026-05-15 14:18             ` David Lang
2026-05-15 15:17             ` bob.mcmahon
2026-05-19 13:52             ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Bloat] " Livingood, Jason
2026-05-19 18:59               ` David Lang
2026-05-19 22:45                 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-05-21 19:42                   ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-05-21 20:02                     ` dan
2026-05-22 16:36                       ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Rpm] " Robert McMahon
2026-05-23  2:18                         ` dan
2026-05-23 16:36                           ` bob.mcmahon
2026-05-23 22:12                             ` dan
2026-05-24 20:06                               ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-05-24 21:57                                 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-05-25  5:43                                   ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-05-25  6:58                                     ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Codel] " Sebastian Moeller
2026-05-25 12:45                                       ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-05-25 13:36                                         ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Codel] " Sebastian Moeller
2026-06-07  6:15                                           ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-06-07  9:03                                             ` Sebastian Moeller
2026-06-07 10:19                                               ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Bloat] Re: [Codel] [Rpm] " David Lang
2026-06-07 18:10                                                 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-06-07 18:30                                                   ` dan
2026-06-07 19:10                                                     ` bob.mcmahon
2026-06-08  0:29                                                       ` dan
2026-06-08  2:55                                                         ` bob.mcmahon
2026-06-08  4:06                                                     ` David Lang
2026-06-08  6:26                                                     ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2026-06-08  3:59                                                   ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Bloat] " David Lang
2026-06-08  5:18                                                     ` bob.mcmahon
2026-06-08  6:53                                                       ` David Lang [this message]
2026-06-08 10:29                                                         ` Frantisek Borsik
     [not found]                                                   ` <e68abec2-6fd8-4fc4-ad26-5ca10859551c@rogers.com>
2026-06-09  3:40                                                     ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Codel] Re: [Bloat] " bob.mcmahon
2026-06-07  6:49                                           ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Bloat] Re: [Codel] " David Lang

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