[Starlink] Ambani Launches 15 Billion Dollars Space War Against Starlink

[Starlink] Ambani Launches 15 Billion Dollars Space War Against Starlink

[Hesham ElBakoury]

https://open.substack.com/pub/sebastianbarros/p/ambani-launches-a-15-billion-dollar?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=h5i8l


Who will win the space war?

Heshan

[Starlink] Re: Ambani Launches 15 Billion Dollars Space War Against Starlink

[Frantisek Borsik]

The same as with Amazon Leo - the biggest issue will be bufferbloat. And so
if they won't get FQ-CoDel or CAKE it, they will suffer, no matter the
other mumbo-jumbo they will do and claim to have it better than Starlink.

All the best,

Frank

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On Sun, Jun 21, 2026 at 8:11 PM Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink <
starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

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> Who will win the space war?
>
> Heshan
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[Starlink] Re: Ambani Launches 15 Billion Dollars Space War Against Starlink

[Inemesit Affia]

The bufferbloat avoidance tech is cheap to deploy.

The issues are cost per bit (launch, satellite, ground stations, transport, IP transit and power are all factors)and terminal cost.

Don't consider the effort real until you hear about terminals

[Starlink] Re: Ambani Launches 15 Billion Dollars Space War Against Starlink

[Frantisek Borsik]

Well, so cheap to deploy, that it wasn't done when Starlink started and it
was their grave mistake, fixed only in the spring of 2024.
For all the new here, here is our badly missed Dave summarizing it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw

Absolutely, there is a LOT of tech to get right, big wins on many levels,
and yet - you might get everything right, but you will suffer from
bufferbloat.

Fingers crossed for Amazon Leo and anyone else.

All the best,

Frank

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On Sun, Jun 21, 2026 at 9:12 PM Inemesit Affia via Starlink <
starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> The bufferbloat avoidance tech is cheap to deploy.
>
> The issues are cost per bit (launch, satellite, ground stations,
> transport, IP transit and power are all factors)and terminal cost.
>
> Don't consider the effort real until you hear about terminals
>
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[Starlink] Re: Ambani Launches 15 Billion Dollars Space War Against Starlink

[David Lang]

Frantisek Borsik via Starlink wrote:

> The same as with Amazon Leo - the biggest issue will be bufferbloat.

I think it is going to depend a lot on who their launch provider is and who 
their satellite manufacturer is.

Leo is going to suffer from having to pay higher launch costs as they avoid 
using SpaceX, and they are building more traditional satellites than Starlink, 
which is both more expensive per satellite and can't launch as many in one shot.

Remember that Elon Musk had to fire the satellite teams management to get them 
into the 'cattle not pets' mindset. I don't think any other aerospace companies 
(other than ones run by former SpaceX folks) really buy in to that yet.

and then there is the huge difference between the SpaceX launc COST and the 
SpaceX launch PRICE (which is still significantly lower then the competition)

Bufferbloat can be an issue, but until you get enough birds in space, it isn't 
going to matter as much, you will actually be very short of bandwidth.

David Lang

[Starlink] Re: Ambani Launches 15 Billion Dollars Space War Against Starlink

[Joe Hamelin]

On Sun, Jun 21, 2026 at 12:55 PM David Lang via Starlink <
starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

>
> I think it is going to depend a lot on who their launch provider is and
> who
> their satellite manufacturer is.
>

Arianespace (a JV of my company and Airbus) just launched 36 Leo sats last
week.
https://newsroom.arianespace.com/arianespace-successfully-launches-36-additional-amazon-leo-satellites-with-an-ariane-64-equipped-with-advanced-boosters/

-- 
Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Portland, OR, +1 360 474 7474

[Starlink] Re: Ambani Launches 15 Billion Dollars Space War Against Starlink

[David Collier-Brown]

The Klingons?

--dave

On 6/21/26 14:11, Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink wrote:
> https://open.substack.com/pub/sebastianbarros/p/ambani-launches-a-15-billion-dollar?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=h5i8l
>
>
> Who will win the space war?
>
> Heshan
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