[Bloat] Re: Vol 185, Issue 5

[Bloat] Re: Vol 185, Issue 5

[Replikon Research, D-U-N-S/FCN 77-387-4974]

There are two realms of analysis where things can blow up

One is synergy and synergetics meaning the interactions between presumably
interchangeable parts relevant to the interactions between presumably
interchangeable routers and node points

The other is combinatorics and that's my thing I love combinatorics!!!! The
only thing that matters is what you choose to count and how much each part
of what you count matters to you to put it concisely.

So while I have very little to contribute I am encouraged to hear that the
bottleneck is in the latency but the causes of the latency are
multi-dimensional there are at least we know where the problem is not where
that would mean we knew the causes no that's not right let me know is what
the problem is yes the problem is latency

What comes to mind is it for certain latencies there may be an echo like
the feedback of a guitar when the amplifiers turned up too high

Does that have any intuitional relationship to these very high level
Network analyzes that you all do everyday

This question of residence no not residents got darn it in the microphone
resonance like my voice yes

I think resonance and spectral radius are two characteristics of behind
level network analysis which apply here to this question of latency because
when spectral radius is one resonance is nearly inevitable

Is the internet we have built evolving to an internet in which some
parameterizable characteristic has a special radius of 1?

I sure as hell hope not

[Bloat] Re: Vol 185, Issue 5

[David Lang]

Explain how you think this resonance would happen? unlike sound, packets don't 
'echo', they deliver messages, which can (and frequently do) trigger reply 
messages but unlike audio resonance, the incoming packets don't add to the 
outgoing packets to make a larger signal than the outgoing packets would if the 
timing was a little difference.

David Lang


On Sat, 19 Sep 2026, Replikon Research, D-U-N-S/FCN 77-387-4974 wrote:

> There are two realms of analysis where things can blow up
>
> One is synergy and synergetics meaning the interactions between presumably
> interchangeable parts relevant to the interactions between presumably
> interchangeable routers and node points
>
> The other is combinatorics and that's my thing I love combinatorics!!!! The
> only thing that matters is what you choose to count and how much each part
> of what you count matters to you to put it concisely.
>
> So while I have very little to contribute I am encouraged to hear that the
> bottleneck is in the latency but the causes of the latency are
> multi-dimensional there are at least we know where the problem is not where
> that would mean we knew the causes no that's not right let me know is what
> the problem is yes the problem is latency
>
> What comes to mind is it for certain latencies there may be an echo like
> the feedback of a guitar when the amplifiers turned up too high
>
> Does that have any intuitional relationship to these very high level
> Network analyzes that you all do everyday
>
> This question of residence no not residents got darn it in the microphone
> resonance like my voice yes
>
> I think resonance and spectral radius are two characteristics of behind
> level network analysis which apply here to this question of latency because
> when spectral radius is one resonance is nearly inevitable
>
> Is the internet we have built evolving to an internet in which some
> parameterizable characteristic has a special radius of 1?
>
> I sure as hell hope not
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