[Starlink] Ambani Launches 15 Billion Dollars Space War Against Starlink

[Starlink] Ambani Launches 15 Billion Dollars Space War Against Starlink

[Hesham ElBakoury]

https://open.substack.com/pub/sebastianbarros/p/ambani-launches-a-15-billion-dollar?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=h5i8l


Who will win the space war?

Heshan

[Starlink] Re: Ambani Launches 15 Billion Dollars Space War Against Starlink

[Frantisek Borsik]

The same as with Amazon Leo - the biggest issue will be bufferbloat. And so
if they won't get FQ-CoDel or CAKE it, they will suffer, no matter the
other mumbo-jumbo they will do and claim to have it better than Starlink.

All the best,

Frank

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On Sun, Jun 21, 2026 at 8:11 PM Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink <
starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

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> https://open.substack.com/pub/sebastianbarros/p/ambani-launches-a-15-billion-dollar?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=h5i8l
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>
> Who will win the space war?
>
> Heshan
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[Starlink] Re: Ambani Launches 15 Billion Dollars Space War Against Starlink

[Inemesit Affia]

The bufferbloat avoidance tech is cheap to deploy.

The issues are cost per bit (launch, satellite, ground stations, transport, IP transit and power are all factors)and terminal cost.

Don't consider the effort real until you hear about terminals

[Starlink] Re: Ambani Launches 15 Billion Dollars Space War Against Starlink

[Frantisek Borsik]

Well, so cheap to deploy, that it wasn't done when Starlink started and it
was their grave mistake, fixed only in the spring of 2024.
For all the new here, here is our badly missed Dave summarizing it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw

Absolutely, there is a LOT of tech to get right, big wins on many levels,
and yet - you might get everything right, but you will suffer from
bufferbloat.

Fingers crossed for Amazon Leo and anyone else.

All the best,

Frank

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On Sun, Jun 21, 2026 at 9:12 PM Inemesit Affia via Starlink <
starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> The bufferbloat avoidance tech is cheap to deploy.
>
> The issues are cost per bit (launch, satellite, ground stations,
> transport, IP transit and power are all factors)and terminal cost.
>
> Don't consider the effort real until you hear about terminals
>
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[Starlink] Re: Ambani Launches 15 Billion Dollars Space War Against Starlink

[David Lang]

Frantisek Borsik via Starlink wrote:

> The same as with Amazon Leo - the biggest issue will be bufferbloat.

I think it is going to depend a lot on who their launch provider is and who 
their satellite manufacturer is.

Leo is going to suffer from having to pay higher launch costs as they avoid 
using SpaceX, and they are building more traditional satellites than Starlink, 
which is both more expensive per satellite and can't launch as many in one shot.

Remember that Elon Musk had to fire the satellite teams management to get them 
into the 'cattle not pets' mindset. I don't think any other aerospace companies 
(other than ones run by former SpaceX folks) really buy in to that yet.

and then there is the huge difference between the SpaceX launc COST and the 
SpaceX launch PRICE (which is still significantly lower then the competition)

Bufferbloat can be an issue, but until you get enough birds in space, it isn't 
going to matter as much, you will actually be very short of bandwidth.

David Lang

[Starlink] Re: Ambani Launches 15 Billion Dollars Space War Against Starlink

[Joe Hamelin]

On Sun, Jun 21, 2026 at 12:55 PM David Lang via Starlink <
starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

>
> I think it is going to depend a lot on who their launch provider is and
> who
> their satellite manufacturer is.
>

Arianespace (a JV of my company and Airbus) just launched 36 Leo sats last
week.
https://newsroom.arianespace.com/arianespace-successfully-launches-36-additional-amazon-leo-satellites-with-an-ariane-64-equipped-with-advanced-boosters/

-- 
Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Portland, OR, +1 360 474 7474

[Starlink] Re: Ambani Launches 15 Billion Dollars Space War Against Starlink

[David Lang]

Joe Hamelin wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 21, 2026 at 12:55 PM David Lang via Starlink <
> starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I think it is going to depend a lot on who their launch provider is and who 
>> their satellite manufacturer is.
>>
>
> Arianespace (a JV of my company and Airbus) just launched 36 Leo sats last
> week.

My point is that SpaceX competitors are paying 3-4x as much for launch services 
(SpaceX list prices are noticably lower than any competitor, and their launch 
costs are 1/4 to 1/3 their list prices)

And if the satellites are build the traditional way, they will cost many times 
what starlink satellites do as well.

so if your costs to get into orbit are ~4x higher for a similar capacity 
satellite, you are going to have a very hard time being competitive.

the satellite industry got into the habit of thinking "launch is expensive, the 
cost of the satellite is trivial in comparison, so we can make the satellite 
more expensive to try and add to the reliability" and "satellites are really 
expensive, so the launch costs don't matter much". It took Elon firing the 
Starlink satellite construction management to break the team out of that 
mindset, have these other companies learned the lesson? or are they going to 
continue the old ways?

I can say that the fact that they all are building traditionally shaped 
satellites that are deployed one or two at a time from a central tower (wasted 
mass and space) with each satellite needing it's own deployment mechanism (more 
complexity and wasted mass) vs the starlink flat-pack/spin-and-release or 
starship pez-dispensor approaches does not give me any reason to believe that 
they have learned the 'cattle not pets' approach to satellite services.

It's possible that some have, but I don't see it yet.

David Lang

[Starlink] Re: Ambani Launches 15 Billion Dollars Space War Against Starlink

[Inemesit Affia]

There must be some disadvantages to flat sats.

But it's worth noting that China is using them.

Jun 30, 2026 8:51:52 AM David Lang via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>:

> Joe Hamelin wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2026 at 12:55 PM David Lang via Starlink <
>> starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I think it is going to depend a lot on who their launch provider is and who their satellite manufacturer is.
>>> 
>> 
>> Arianespace (a JV of my company and Airbus) just launched 36 Leo sats last
>> week.
> 
> My point is that SpaceX competitors are paying 3-4x as much for launch services (SpaceX list prices are noticably lower than any competitor, and their launch costs are 1/4 to 1/3 their list prices)
> 
> And if the satellites are build the traditional way, they will cost many times what starlink satellites do as well.
> 
> so if your costs to get into orbit are ~4x higher for a similar capacity satellite, you are going to have a very hard time being competitive.
> 
> the satellite industry got into the habit of thinking "launch is expensive, the cost of the satellite is trivial in comparison, so we can make the satellite more expensive to try and add to the reliability" and "satellites are really expensive, so the launch costs don't matter much". It took Elon firing the Starlink satellite construction management to break the team out of that mindset, have these other companies learned the lesson? or are they going to continue the old ways?
> 
> I can say that the fact that they all are building traditionally shaped satellites that are deployed one or two at a time from a central tower (wasted mass and space) with each satellite needing it's own deployment mechanism (more complexity and wasted mass) vs the starlink flat-pack/spin-and-release or starship pez-dispensor approaches does not give me any reason to believe that they have learned the 'cattle not pets' approach to satellite services.
> 
> It's possible that some have, but I don't see it yet.
> 
> David Lang
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[Starlink] Re: Ambani Launches 15 Billion Dollars Space War Against Starlink

[David Lang]

Inemesit Affia wrote:

> There must be some disadvantages to flat sats.

their surface area, frame size is bigger for the same internal volume.
they don't pack around a 'normal' deployment column as well, you either need a 
starship style pez deployment (which isn't useful on things smaller than 
starhips) or you need to do the spin/release approach, which can result in your 
satellites colliding with each other (something nobody would ever consider with 
traditional satellite 'pet' mentality)

> But it's worth noting that China is using them.

they do not have as entrenched a tradition and are more willing to try things 
than western 'old space' companies

David Lang

[Starlink] Re: Ambani Launches 15 Billion Dollars Space War Against Starlink

[David Collier-Brown]

The Klingons?

--dave

On 6/21/26 14:11, Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink wrote:
> https://open.substack.com/pub/sebastianbarros/p/ambani-launches-a-15-billion-dollar?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=h5i8l
>
>
> Who will win the space war?
>
> Heshan
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[Starlink] Partial network outage. Seems like DNS. Any active probes see anything?

[Inemesit Affia]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/1ujequy/down_in_alberta_edmonton/

[Starlink] Re: Partial network outage. Seems like DNS. Any active probes see anything?

[Inemesit Affia]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/1ujf6gj/sign_in/

Or maybe it's a lost ground station.

Jun 30, 2026 7:01:19 AM Inemesit Affia <inemesitaffia@gmail.com>:

> https://old.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/1ujequy/down_in_alberta_edmonton/

[Starlink] A new radome colour for Starlink Ground/Earth station.

[Inemesit Affia]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland/2degrees-installs-first-dome-antennas-on-central-auckland-rooftop-satellite-station/XPSAZKAKJ5HHDGNPAIRJFAKB2I/

I'll have to admit I can't remember seeing a non-white radome before

Jun 30, 2026 7:02:34 AM Inemesit Affia <inemesitaffia@gmail.com>:

> https://old.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/1ujf6gj/sign_in/
> 
> Or maybe it's a lost ground station.
> 
> Jun 30, 2026 7:01:19 AM Inemesit Affia <inemesitaffia@gmail.com>:
> 
>> https://old.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/1ujequy/down_in_alberta_edmonton/

[Starlink] Re: A new radome colour for Starlink Ground/Earth station.

[J Pan]

to be less visually intrusive? look at those (5g) towers in all
disguise ;-) it might be due to photo lighting too. @Ulrich Speidel
might be able to give a visual check there as well. cheers.  -j
--
J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), Pan@UVic.CA, Web.UVic.CA/~pan

On Mon, Jun 29, 2026 at 11:57 PM Inemesit Affia via Starlink
<starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
> https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland/2degrees-installs-first-dome-antennas-on-central-auckland-rooftop-satellite-station/XPSAZKAKJ5HHDGNPAIRJFAKB2I/
>
> I'll have to admit I can't remember seeing a non-white radome before
>
> Jun 30, 2026 7:02:34 AM Inemesit Affia <inemesitaffia@gmail.com>:
>
> > https://old.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/1ujf6gj/sign_in/
> >
> > Or maybe it's a lost ground station.
> >
> > Jun 30, 2026 7:01:19 AM Inemesit Affia <inemesitaffia@gmail.com>:
> >
> >> https://old.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/1ujequy/down_in_alberta_edmonton/
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[Starlink] Re: Partial network outage. Seems like DNS. Any active probes see anything?

[J Pan]

before a starlink user router receives a proper ip address and dns
server address, it was temporarily assigned a special ip address and
dns server address that some routers stuck with
--
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2026 at 11:01 PM Inemesit Affia via Starlink
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